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仍然是 fedora-devel-list

有關 gtk1 的討論熱火朝天
雖然一直在向這個方向努力, 他們都不敢走出最后一步
xmms 已經被移動到了 extras
gnome-vfs1 被去掉了
只有 gnucash 和 gtk1, glib1 幾個庫了吧
我贊同將 gtk1 移動到 extras 因為配置中文太困難了. 另外, 將所有中文支持得不好的程序都移到 extras 里面, 包括 xpdf, tk, emacs 等等

I care about the apps.  And that means being biased against anything
which can't display languages other than English (or just Western
European languages.)  Since essentially everything using gtk+ works
poorly with multiple charsets, that's a bias against gtk+.  

Internationalization is *hard* with gtk+.  CJK support and complex rendering
language support requires thinking in all sorts of ways that programmers who
speak only Western European languages don't usually.  gtk2, pango, and
fontconfig make it almost automatic.  So I don't think I'm too crazy here.

John Thacker

為什么要向微軟學習兼容性呢?
很奇怪的事情, 有些程序使用 AM_HAVE_GTK 的測試, 而不是使用 pkg-config, 導致如果更新了configure.ac/configure.in/Makefile.am, 在重新配置的過程中就必須需要 gtk1,但是一旦配置完成就只需要 gtk2 來編譯了. 這是一位日本人 Tonshi 提到的
有人提到了 Loki setup, 說很多程序用到它. 但是緊接著有人反駁說, 因為內核的關系, Loki 早已不支持 fedora. 那是什么東西? Install Shield 嗎?
有一位說得實在是很動情啊




yum 永遠不成熟, 還好 apt 終于放出了 0.5.15cnc7, 看來以后要關注一下 extras 的郵件列表了, 好多有趣的東西, 包括 Lv 推薦的 ipython, pycrust (in wxPythonGTK2)
yum 又引入了新的 xml 解釋器, 說 libxml2-python 不像 python, 而只是 c 的包裝, 馬后炮. 不過昨天看了一下 xpath, 覺得 libxml2 挺好用的. 有了 xpath, 可以精確定位就可以了啊

That was filelists.xml for development -- 36MB of XML, not
primary.xml. There was a 2.5 times speed improvement with cElementTree
code, compared to old yum code, using libxml2 -- around 20 seconds for
libxml2, and around 7-8 seconds for cElementTree on an AMD Athlon
2600+.

Regards,
-- 
Konstantin Ryabitsev


Zlotniks, INC

>   it's not libxml2. you will see that libxml2 by itself on such a
> box should parse your 36MB of XML in a mere second. Try with xmllint --stream
> for example. The potential for improvements by solving the python string
> import would have been huge if you did want to look at it, but it seems
> obvious you didn't want.
> 

Daniel,
 But we're not talking about libxml2 in C, we're talking about using it
in python. I agree with you, we could have worked on the python string
handling and it's interface to libxml2. But time is not free and Icon
nor I had the inclination to work on it. Icon saw elementTree, it proved
to do the same job and do it fairly well. It was low-hanging fruit.

If you or anyone else would like to implement the functions in libxml2
and make the import work just as quickly and the api look just as pretty
and I'll be glad to take a look at the results. But I just don't have
the time to do it. Remember, some of us are volunteers.

-sv

有人在建議引入 /etc/rc.modules.d 目錄, 存放模塊的配置文件, 這樣配置程序可以不必重寫 /etc/modprobe.conf



update:
要哭了, 本來整理了好多, 大概后來補充的還有這么長, 但是在再次提交時提示我, 編輯器超時...

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